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April 27, 2008

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"Technically, the referee did what he was supposed to do in whistling the play dead once he lost sight of the puck. But he made a bad call in losing sight of it while it was still alive."

Which basically means, he made the right call, but because it was against the Rangers, it sucked, so I'll throw "Technically" in there to make it sound like it was sort of a good call but not.

This play happens all the time in games. There was a crowd in the crease, so how can you blame him for losing sight of the puck? Even Renney had no problem with it.

Objectively speaking, had that happened to the Penguins, I'd say the same exact thing, I'd just call it good luck for the Rangers that the refs blew it and admit that they were fortunate to hang on to win under the circumstances. At least, that's what I THINK I might say -- the truth is, I don't know, because the Rangers haven't been on the lucky side of such an error all season long, not that I recall.

And I quote:
"But the referee blew a quick whistle even as the loose puck was in the process of squirting through Fleury's legs and over the goal line. Technically, the referee did what he was supposed to do in whistling the play dead once he lost sight of the puck. But he made a bad call in losing sight of it while it was still alive."

Lets re-read that and break it down point by point shall we?

The referee blew a quick whistle - lets stop there for now. I agree with this point, but there were at least three bodies in front of Fluery, and the MAF'er was in his butterfly bent over the area where the puck was. At this point, you are running the risk of injury to defensemen who may have dropped to block the shot, and the goalie, who is also in a potentially unprotected position. If the ref loses sight of the puck AT ALL it is his responsibility to blow the whistle.

even as the loose puck was in the process of squirting through Fleury's legs and over the goal line - again...the puck did disapear underneath MAF for some time. Even on the TV replay, in slow motion, there is a small window where the puck disapears from view....even on the goal camera from behind MAF before it trickles out. Remember, the referee has to make a decision to blow his whistle and then blow it...this could take up to .5 seconds, and that is just an estimation on my part. So the whistle is blown, but INTENT to blow the whistle was while the puck was out of sight, even on the TV replay.

Technically, the referee did what he was supposed to do in whistling the play dead once he lost sight of the puck. - Technically? No, this is the RULE. That means the ref did EXACTLY what he was supposed to do. Not "well, TECHNICALLY..."

But he made a bad call in losing sight of it while it was still alive. - uhhhh....what? Seriously? that doesnt even really make sense honestly. I'm sure that next time he will try a little harder. You know, there are some damn fine women in Pittsburgh, and some damn fine women hockey fans in pittsburgh at that....Perhaps one of them caught his eye, and that was why he lost it.

The man was doing his job, and doing according to the rules. It was the right call and that happens all the time. Your team got outplayed by the Penguins defense.

It is, however, a long series, and The Pens have had trouble winning in MSG all season. I wish you all good luck going forward.


Thomas PA if they shoe was on the other foot, you'd be screaming. I contend the refs lose sight 80% + on every shot on goal. There is no way a ref doesn't lose sight on most shots, and 95% on scrambles. They do it every game and have no criteria except when they blow the whistle it's frozen, different every time it happens. It decided a game tying goal. When the refs are directly responsible on extremely judgmental calls , their credibility is highly questionable.If those calls went against your team in the last 2 games, your crowd, coach, and team would be crying like that baby you have as captain. He's not a leader, with how he hopes the refs will be fooled by his antics, he's cheating . Try winning straight up, it will be a novel approach for your play pens.

The Penguins and the media are about the only one's that seem to want to talk about Sidney Crosby diving, it makes no sense. NBC contradicted themselves about 5 times rapid fire, first saying Crosby did not dive, then saying he was strong on his skates, THEN saying everyone dives at somepoint, etc. etc. It's disgusting. Once I realized CBC was covering this game too I quickly switched. You get a real balanced game called by those guys because neither team is canadian so I feel like they don't really care who wins lol.

We just need to step our game up at the garden. We look very frustrated on the ice

I wouldn't be screaming if I understood the rule and my own coach agreed with the decision.

And I'm pretty sure the refs didn't hand the Pens their 4 even=strength goals on Friday night.

Try capitalizing on a late power play (2 today actually) and the whining goes away from NY.

And if if's and but's were candies and nuts... The shoe is not on the other foot Robert my good man. 'Tis the Ranger's foot on which said shoe currently resides, and you have done more than enough screaming for both sides. There has been far less complaining from the Pens about Avery's dirty play (see: the intentional raking of a stick across the face of a downed opponent, spearing of the stick into the opposing goalie's sternum, ect..) compared to the wailing and gnashing of teeth that occurs every time that Crosby draws a legit (see: NHL rulebook) penalty. Perhaps things shall turn around in MSG and the games will be called more evenly (see: going the Ranger's way ((Refs love to be called out by the way Mr. Renney)))

You can blame the refs for the loss, and hate on the way that Bing plays the game, but I don't think you are justified in questioning his leadership. He has changed the entire culture that the team slipped into in the post-JJ days. He is a gymrat and a true student of the game and there isn't a player in the league I would rather be the captain of this team. A captain is someone, that when the game is on the line you can turn to. No matter what the situation is, and I'm speaking for myself here, there has never been a time when I didn't have faith that he could pull it out for the pens. He's not a cheater, he is a leader.

For a blog they love to disrespect, they sure come here a lot don't they?

My question is, remember that scramble in front of the Penguin net in the 2nd period? It was crazy, and the refs didn't lose sight of that? You couldn't even see it on replays. I wonder if the memory of that caused them to blow so quickly, because Fleury was really getting jostled on that 2nd period scramble.

Technically? No, this is the RULE. That means the ref did EXACTLY what he was supposed to do. So is playing with a broken stick. But they chose not to do what they're supposed to on that instance.


I'm not going to blame anything but the NYR for this loss. To me, they took a step backwards with this loss. They looked scrambly the entire game. The never seemed to be controlling the play and did not dictate the flow. The appeared a step behind for most of the night and that was evident with each pass that was a little off, or a little behind, or just rushed that little bit to make the plays herky-jerky. Even more worrisome, they looked tired.

But what bothered me the most was not the power play, but yet another vulnerability that has plagued this team this season....the inability to handle a hard forechecking team. There were numerous times when breakouts were interrupted by Penguins flying into the zone. Instead of a hard around or strong clearing attempt, the puck-possession NYR reverted to weak passes within their own zone either softly up the boards or behind their own net....pinning themselves in deep or losing control completely (sometimes both).


I really expected much more form them today. I hope Renney has something to get these guys going because they looked like they had no pulse. Limited hitting w/brief emotion. These were not the Rangers we've seen in the past two months, and nothing near the team that played the Devils. IMO, they looked to still be hurting from blowing Game 1. I only fear that Renney will try to counter with a more controlled (aka passive) approach...

I agree with Dubi, the Rangers certainly have not been lucky when it comes to quick whistles. Lundqvist has given up many goals this year where the puck has trickled through him when the whistle should have been blown, and the Rangers have not had the benefit of the doubt offensively with quick whistles. It's just frustrating, and I'm sure Pens fans would not be pleased if they were in the same position as us.

I just don't understand why Renney doesn't try switching up the powerplay when it goes into droughts like this...is there some unwritten rule of hockey that if the PP isn't working you're supposed to wait it out? who goes by the saying "If it is broke, don't fix it"?

when your goalie is off to a bad start in a game what do you do? pull him

what do some coaches do towards the end of a game when they need a goal or two? shuffle up the lines

this powerplay has seen the same 2 squads for practically the last 2-3 months...CHANGE IT UP FOR ONCE

get dawes prucha and cally in there...wasn't our youth part of our end of the season playoff push? why stop now?

dawes is an underrated passer, prucha is resilient in front for some garbage goals and cally can play gritty in the corners if need be

I can't take this constant pounding of a square peg into a round hole

nice of the playpen fans coming over and acting calm. Reality is neither fan base will call it objectively. The refs have aided, whether intentional or not, one side more than the other with questionable calls not obvious ones. Is cross checking a player without the puck now not against the rules? When rules are applied evenly , then the refs are not a factor. When players are treated the same, then the refs are not a factor. When a player is constantly falling to one knee or more to get calls, it's diving , even if he's a talented player who is constantly whining. That's not leading, nor is it being looked at without prejudice. Yes the NYR can play better and outright beat that team, and they will on Tuesday even with all the help the other team will receive.

And here come the Penguin fans, those bastions of sportsmanship who have never, ever complained about a referee's decision ever in their lives. We should follow their shining example. Get off your frigging pedestals. Let's go, 4 in a row Rangers, screw the doubters.

! just watched the replay again. its really sickening, its not even like fluery could have covered the puck in butterfly position he was in, and to try and say that the ref must have lost sight is ridiculous, the puck was on its way through when he blew the whistle.

I realize we don't have defensemen named Lidstrom, Chara or Souray but as a reference do you ever see these guys take a harmless wristshot from the point on the PP? Maybe it's because of our inability to take a slapshot from the point and get it on goal. Too many of our shots from up high are non factors and although I don't completely agree with a forward back there, at least with let's say Straka/Drury they rifle it every chance they get which has a far greater chance at a rebound. If your shot is going to get blocked, make the blocker pay for it, not be able to knock it down with his glove. And for God's sake what happened to one timers??

Rangers need lineup tweeks ... Malik has to play with Rosival .. Rosival plays so much better with Malik ... also Orr needs to get in there ... bench Sjostrom, lets be honest he has done nothing since becoming a Ranger

I am a Pens fan but I come not to disrespect. All I have to say is Lundqvist is a beast

Am I correct that the ref who blew the "early" whistle was the ref stationed "behind" the cage?
If so, then I fault not the ref per se, but a system of reffing where that ref is allowed to blow it dead when the puck starts somewhere in front of the cage, a place he cannot truly observe...the ref behind should defer to the other ref(s) and let them blow it up if they lose sight, because he could, from this lack of perspective, whistle MANY plays dead when the puck is in front of the goalie.simply because he "loses" sight of the puck...the ref behind should concentrate on whether the puck crosses the line...

Sidney is a diver, pure and simple...he just happens to do it much better than most AND is one of the top players in the league, so he gets a benefit of the doubt that makes frequent use of...he also happens to commit many more penalties than he receives for much the same reasons...

The Rangers simply didn't do enough to deserve to win...

I don't understand Roszival leaving Staal alone in front to pressure Malkin, when our Staal was doing just that before the pass in front...

the Ranger PP simply does not move the puck fast enough in all areas of the ice...move the puck fast and create mini 2-on-1s...traffic in front and crash the net as a shot is occurring...the puck movement is way too slow...

the reason Renny said what he did is simple, if he blamed the ref's for the screw up(which it was) he would either get fined or potentially hamper his team even further in getting any calls with the Cyndy leage and network..

If both these calls went agaisn the Pens(I do not even have n=to name the calls becuase everyone knows which ones) went agaisn the cyndy's there would be outrage everywhere.

Jagr whom many hate said it to cindy during the game today be a man and stand up and skate.

On the fleury fiasco, d men get hurt by a puck or the goalie get hurt , the puck was uncovered under his crouch rolling slowly into the net, not real complicated.

humor your self by thinking we just whine at the calls and then when you wake up tell me why all the calls go for 1 team and not both. if this was a random coincedence then both teams on occasion woule luck out, but only one team gets the calls...

Pens fans what a oxymoron in that statement since they have 2 # 1 picks and 1 #2 picks there seems to be more Pens fans then there were previosly.

I am a knick fan they do suck and they sell out everynight, so do not tell me about the baandwagon...It is amazing that Pens fans want to be so practical and unemotional again I am sure they would say the same things if the shoe was on the other foot!!!!!

Yeah sure...Cindy would cry and ask his daddy bettman to make things all better.....

JOKE

Am I correct that the ref who blew the "early" whistle was the ref stationed "behind" the cage?
If so, then I fault not the ref per se, but a system of reffing where that ref is allowed to blow it dead when the puck starts somewhere in front of the cage, a place he cannot truly observe...the ref behind should defer to the other ref(s) and let them blow it up if they lose sight, because he could, from this lack of perspective, whistle MANY plays dead when the puck is in front of the goalie.simply because he "loses" sight of the puck...the ref behind should concentrate on whether the puck crosses the line...

Sidney is a diver, pure and simple...he just happens to do it much better than most AND is one of the top players in the league, so he gets a benefit of the doubt that makes frequent use of...he also happens to commit many more penalties than he receives for much the same reasons...

The Rangers simply didn't do enough to deserve to win...

I don't understand Roszival leaving Staal alone in front to pressure Malkin, when our Staal was doing just that before the pass in front...

the Ranger PP simply does not move the puck fast enough in all areas of the ice...move the puck fast and create mini 2-on-1s...traffic in front and crash the net as a shot is occurring...the puck movement is way too slow...

Am I correct that the ref who blew the "early" whistle was the ref stationed "behind" the cage?
If so, then I fault not the ref per se, but a system of reffing where that ref is allowed to blow it dead when the puck starts somewhere in front of the cage, a place he cannot truly observe...the ref behind should defer to the other ref(s) and let them blow it up if they lose sight, because he could, from this lack of perspective, whistle MANY plays dead when the puck is in front of the goalie.simply because he "loses" sight of the puck...the ref behind should concentrate on whether the puck crosses the line...

Sidney is a diver, pure and simple...he just happens to do it much better than most AND is one of the top players in the league, so he gets a benefit of the doubt that makes frequent use of...he also happens to commit many more penalties than he receives for much the same reasons...

The Rangers simply didn't do enough to deserve to win...

I don't understand Roszival leaving Staal alone in front to pressure Malkin, when our Staal was doing just that before the pass in front...

the Ranger PP simply does not move the puck fast enough in all areas of the ice...move the puck fast and create mini 2-on-1s...traffic in front and crash the net as a shot is occurring...the puck movement is way too slow...

Am I correct that the ref who blew the "early" whistle was the ref stationed "behind" the cage?
If so, then I fault not the ref per se, but a system of reffing where that ref is allowed to blow it dead when the puck starts somewhere in front of the cage, a place he cannot truly observe...the ref behind should defer to the other ref(s) and let them blow it up if they lose sight, because he could, from this lack of perspective, whistle MANY plays dead when the puck is in front of the goalie.simply because he "loses" sight of the puck...the ref behind should concentrate on whether the puck crosses the line...

Sidney is a diver, pure and simple...he just happens to do it much better than most AND is one of the top players in the league, so he gets a benefit of the doubt that makes frequent use of...he also happens to commit many more penalties than he receives for much the same reasons...

The Rangers simply didn't do enough to deserve to win...

I don't understand Roszival leaving Staal alone in front to pressure Malkin, when our Staal was doing just that before the pass in front...

the Ranger PP simply does not move the puck fast enough in all areas of the ice...move the puck fast and create mini 2-on-1s...traffic in front and crash the net as a shot is occurring...the puck movement is way too slow...

Smitty, you are onto something there that has not been broached yet -- but it's not the system that is at fault, it's the ref: how many times have you seen the puck in the crease like that and the ref standing in the corner? Almost never -- they're supposed to shoot out behind the net, precisely so that they can maintain sight of the puck.

The earlier scramble that was not whistled dead, the ref was behind the net, as he should be. This ref just stayed in the corner and blew the whistle. If he was behind the net like he was supposed to be, he would not have lost sight of the puck, because it was still loose and headed into the net.

The rule may have been applied correctly, but the referee was wrong on several counts in applying it.

Dubi,

Let's not lose sight of the fact that Smitty was also onto something when he wrote "Sidney is a diver,"

How do people get around Pittsburgh with all the one-way streets there all pointing in the same direction ? Life makes a little more sense when there are two-way streets -- like, after being so shocked (shocked! I tell ya) about people complaining about Crosby's head jerking back when touched by a stick, you should see the sturm und drang about how Girardi's head broke every law of physics known to mankind when he was hit by Sykora's high stick. Oh, the humanity!

And the outrage over Avery raising his arms looking for a call after being knocked down by Gill in the crease -- again, the humanity! How dare Ranger fans complain about Crosby's whining to the refs when Avery does it like that? Uh, maybe because it really was a penalty, and Avery, like the rest of us, expected Bettman's pets to get away with it. Or maybe it's because no Ranger fan will ever try to deny that Avery whines to the refs -- it's part of his schtick, and I can freely admit that. But of course the difference is that Avery is already Mr. Unsportsmanlike, so whining to the refs isn't a story -- but Sid is the scion of the NHL, we can't let anyone think he might do anything to soil the reputation of the game!

And all of this righteous defense of the referee for blowing a quick whistle -- where was it when Drury scored his goal? The refs on the ice saw it as a legal stick and video review was unable to conclusively overturn the ruling -- perhaps because the replay showed that there was a good chance he didn't touch the puck until it was at armpit level. Maybe the refs on the ice were wrong and it was a high stick -- if that was the case, then they made a bad call and the Rangers got a break. But based on the replay, it might've been up there, or he might not have gotten it until it was down at legal level -- it was impossible to tell for sure either way. On Straka's goal, no one's arguing that the puck was not loose, only whether the ref made a good call or a bad call in whistling it dead before it counted.

But god forbid the Pens might have caught a break there -- gotta come here and shoot down any thoughts a Ranger fan might have that that was the case. Because after all, Pens' sites were inundated by Ranger fans arguing to holy heaven that the refs got the Drury call right!

But the funniest thing of all is the wonderment that some comments from Pens fans were posted, even though they argued against the Rangers. As if they don't know the difference between participating in a valid discussion vs. trying to incite a flame war. I'm shocked, I tell ya -- shocked!

You know, I've been a judge for the past couple of years in a contest for the PA Women's Press Association. I gave first prize in my category this year to a reporter who wrote a great series on the failure of the No Child Left Behind educational program in Western PA (I swear, I'm not making this up!). Anyway, I think you can see where I'm going with this -- if I have to spell it out, then [put your own punch line here].

(BTW, my category last year was sportswriting, and I gave first place to Karen Price of the Tribune-Review for her story on how the Penguins got Malkin out of Russia -- again, I kid you not, it was a great story.)

On my mobile just before the puck was dropped I checked ESPN NHL Main. The headline was "Dive Talking" and the pic was of Disney Crosby at center ice, head bowed, on all fours. Sidney Dives! has gone viral and the NHL may be a bit worried by it. May have even initiated damage control. The NHL/NBC defense of diving twice from Olcyzk was twisted and self defeating. Then I noticed that in the second period with like 5 minutes left the kid had a chance to dive and held up. Later, after a whistle, Avery jammed him and he didn't squeak a peep.

Meanwhile, the thing I think about that ref is his whistle wasn't quick; it never should have happened. He was out of position.

Which may be one (of many) reasons why Rangers fan sometimes ask about the refs, what did he know and when did he know it?

Whats sad is I feel as though watching the last 6months of hockey has no meaning when you cant beat the refs. Friday the game was completely taken out of our hands and yesterday, we had it taken out of our hands again when we should have been tied 1-1.

One more thought and I'll stop: to the Old Guard, the living gods of hockey, Sidney Dives! being initiated by the Rangers must feel like 1992 all over again. Worse, perhaps, since Mario's wrist grew back in a week. It's going to take a lot more time to rehabilitate that kid's reputation. Gotta give Sather credit for this. He must have known how annoying it would be to shine a light on The Next One's indecencies. Why'd he do it? Maybe he felt it was the Rangers only hope. Or, maybe he was ordered to get the NHL back for that website thingy.

Geez-us. Can Rangers fans get back to their team and their players? So sick of reading about Crosby and the refs, it's not even funny.

The team did look very frustrated offensively. Defensively, they did everything that they, and the fans, expected them to do after Game 1. Defensively, the execution of their game plan was near flawless. Limiting the Pitts to one goal on a PP should be everything they needed to do to ensure a victory. Except they forgot their offense. The Rangers looked out of synch and never comfortable on the ice. I don't think they looked, or were, tired. But again, their offensive game had none of the intensity or flow that they brought to the game the day before.

The difference between this series and the last series is that all the Rangers thought about was WINNING. Nothing more, nothing less. This series, they're worried about: divin' and cryin' babies, bad calls, NO calls, inconsistent refs, bad breaks, quick whistles, high sticks, etc., etc., you get the idea. The Rangers have lost their FOCUS. They have forgotten what they are playing for. I think the Game 1 loss, and how they lost that game, still affected how they played Game 2, which is no big stretch of the imagination. They played like a team that got burnt by getting too close to the crease and were afraid to get too close again. Which makes no sense. This team has the talent and ability to score the goals they need to win. It would seem the one thing they need badly is exactly what they're about to get--back on home ice. The ice should feel much more even back at MSG. You could also argue that these past two games were the first real road games the Rangers played in the playoffs. And their lack of FOCUS is partly due to adjusting to that reality. Bottom line: It's not their work ethic that needs help, it's their mental game. FOCUS ON WINNING. Nothing more, nothing less.

Kudos to Sidney and the pens. For the first 2 games these guys want it more.

They are making the Rangers look slow. They are winning the battles. How many times were the Rangers skating the puck from there end and generating barely any speed on the rush. Defensemen skates the puck up slowly and expects to make a good pass...but there is no speed on the rush...

I love Shanny, but he has been non-existent for the entire playoffs.

Straka should not be on the powerplay. He is not a threat to shoot.

The good news is we can play much better. I expect a much better effort tomorrow night.

I don't think we need Orr in the lineup. Hollweg maybe. The Pens are a pretty disciplined team and it is not like big George is looking to fight anyone. At the end of the game he just really tied Avery up, not bash his face in.

the power play --a couple of things that i noticed are wrong. (1)Jagr is too tentative when he gets the puck . He allows the defense to set up and anticipate his next move. He also sets up and tries the same shot that all the goaltenders are now well aware of-i.e. setting up in the corner and moving more to the middle with his shot.A low shot leaving a rebound in front with Avery or Dubinsky will work better. (2) Tyutin has a hitch in his shot.He stops half-cocked,waits ,then shoots. Someone has also took him not to shoot a suicide shot which misses and caroms around and out the other side. Tyutin's shot hits the goalies middle just about every time. The defensive points should move to the middle and shoot more from there than the side.
And like the Detroit power play- Every player seems always on the move. No one is standing waiting for the puck to come him .
Next power play coach please.

The problem is not the referees.
The problem is not Cindy Crosby.
The problem is not Tom Renney and his inability to make critical in game decisions.

The problem IS and will continue to be their stagnant power play. We need to make drastic changes. Get Prucha, Dawes, Cally in there PRONTO.

This series is not over....

Okay, it’s time for the boys to step it up. I must admit, I was a bit upset by their dismal failure to win a game in Pittsburg, but a cooler head has prevailed here. It’s time to go after Cynthia’s ankle like Bobby Clarke on Valeri Kharlamov.

Face it, NHL hockey is the worst officiated professional sport in the world. The league advocates fighting and violence on one hand, while bending over backwards to protect certain players from the potential carnage. This paradoxical hypocrisy results in uncertainty on the ice, both for the players and the officials. It’s a mess.

If the league wants to remove violence, then they should hand out game misconducts rather than five minute fighting majors. Until that step is taken by the indecisive league brass in Toronto, I find it well within the professional ethics of the NHL athlete to take matters into his own hands.

Time is running out. If you can’t beat ‘em, beat ‘em up, as the dinosaur coaches used to say. No time to wait for game four. Game three requires an element of the game that has been missing from the Ranger arsenal; violent aggression. It’s time for someone other than Avery to show a mean streak.

Just as no one will remember Cynthia’s diving if his name is on the cup, so too will they forget the physical aggression that may result in his demise. That is unless it rises to epic, Clarke-like, levels.

We can hope.

I dont know why i found it hilirous but did anybody hear the fans were not allowed to do sea of white again becasue Sidney Crosby didnt like it?? Its pretty sad whhen your own poster boy tells his fans what to wear to a game

I'll admit I never played hockey. And I haven't watched it my entire life.

But after 10 straight years of watching every televised Rangers game, I thought I had a good handle on the rules. I considered myself pretty well-versed on what constitutes holding and interference.

After this last game, I realize I have no idea what is and what isn't a penalty.

We need some wins here at MSG. Gotta turn this thing around. Let's Go Rangers!!

A quick whistle isnt to blame, neither are the refs. The Rangers are being outworked, outskated, and outscored.

Sad to say, but we're done.

everyone here needs to stop getting their panties in a twist over the officiating (myself included). it's has been horrendous all season. did we really expect anything better or different in the playoffs? to quote Einstein's definition of insanity (and this applies to the ranger's PP as well) "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." complain all we want, it's not going to change and it's driving us nuts. it's been clear since Bettman Jr's first season that the ref ahead of the play watches the game and the ref behind the play watches #87. until that changes, don't expect different results. the rangers need to realize this and stop worrying about what crosby is doing to draw calls (jagr giving him the business) and worry about keeping him off the score sheet. Crosby is agitating them and is in their heads. they need a little cumbya session to refocus on what worked before, crash the net, forecheck, keep your mouth shut and worry about yourselves. and can someone please stay in front to clear bad guys away from hank? Roszival!!! duh!!! i'd have been ok with a Xchecking call there.

My apologies for hitting the Post button too many times...it just didn't register, so I thought my computer was acting like Michal Roszival...

line changes to get things going:

Avery-Dubinsky-Jagr (we need Avery up there to distract the D from Jagr and get in the face of Fleury to get rebounds...Straka is too deferential to Jagr...Avery is not and is scoring more now than Straka...this line was dominant when they played together...it would be a better PP unit too for the same reasons...)
Dawes-Gomez-Shanahan
Straka-Drury-Callahan
Sjostrom-Betts-Prucha

Shame about Ref not seeing that the puck was still moving towards the net & not covered, but if not for Hank we were not even in this game. Pittsburgh was better than us, had way more scoring chances, & deserved the victory as they played very good defensively. They scored on a PP & we didn’t.

I still think we are a better team & can take the next 2 at home & put the pressure back on the Pens & turn this thing around.

Its not over. Rangers have bounced back all season. Go Rangers.

Pavel down 2-0 doesnt mean we r done relax

just two more things i have to say:

calling "him" Bing is an insult to the singer, so go back to Cindy.

did anyone hear "dock" say that crosby didn't want the fans to wear white? can you imagine the clout he has? for game five he's demanding green underwear or else!

A couple of things

First the officials. All season long there has been an absence of common sense applied to the rules, a stick that is brought up into a hooking like position and quickly removed when the player realizes that he is screwing up is not worthy of a penalty especially away from the play, if it doesnt affect the play. I have seen these obstruction hooking calls made all season. IMHO, this constant focus on obstruction hooking and sticks has made the officials miss bigger more important calls. I'm sure we all remember Kovalev's elbow going into Jagr's chin, and no penalty being called. Is there some sort of training program for officials? I mean in baseball, fans scream bloody murder if an up blows a call because they are out of position, yet in hockey I have never heard such a thing mentioned. The ref yesterday could not have seen if the puck was lying on the ice against Fleury's pads uncovered, because he was out of position. thats the real crime to me, not the application of the rules, but that the ref applied the rules without hustling enough to be in the best position to make the call. Speaking of which, is it just me or are officials getting in the way more often than they used to? This was particularly apparent in the Devils series.

Now onto the Rangers, enough nonsense about wrist shots vs slap shots from the point. I cannot tell u how many wristers I saw one Brian Leetch take from the point. That should end that absurd argument. the fact that the point men on this team couldnt put a shot into the ocean from the beach, never mind hit the net is the bigger issue. The Rangers have never come close to replacing Leetch. there is nobody on the team who I would consider a top rate pointman on the power play. this has been apparent all season. none of the point men are adept at shooting off the pass, they all collect the puck, and then shoot. To make matters worse, some of em have a hitch in their swing so to speak. They also seem to make passes that always seem to hit the recipient on the backhand side. I have a radical solution, and it is probably absurd. I propose that given the extensive ice time the third line is getting, that the rangers dress 7 defensemen, and dress Sanguinetti to play the power play. I have no idea if he is remotely ready, but he is supposed to be a good offensive defenseman and pointman. maybe Jess could shine some light on whether he is ready to play.

Everyone needs to ease off on Crosby and the officiating. It is what is. We know it, they know it and the NHL knows it. It reminds me of 1986 with the Mets and Mike Scott scuffing the ball. everyone knew he was doing it and nothing was going to be done about it. It is time for the Rangers to focus on raising their intensity level and playing with urgency. They need to not put themselves in a position where Swandy can dive. If they have to take a penalty on Crosby, just make sure it is a good one.

Gotta love playoff hockey.. Crosby is an idiot, I never realized this until I watched this series.

It's to bad Glen re-upped Shanny this year, it's probably to late to do anything now, but he is consistantly the worst player on the ice, night-in, night-out. Why he is used on the usless power-play of ours and not Dawes or Prucha makes me want to bang my head of a brick wall. It's painful to watch his absolute lack of physicality, refusing to play any body, and most importantly refusing to pay the price to either keep a puck in the zone or get it out. He should volounteer to watch from the press box.

Other than my gripe with Shanny, I'm very proud of this team, Backman is obviously Hayley Wickenheiser in drag but atleast she tries. Just keep workin hard boys and the bounces may start to fall our way.


The last 10 minutes of yesterday's game looked exactly like the 2002 Rangers attempting to skate through the neutral zone against the Devils.
Very painful, please get the puck deep.

Seriously, Alan? I'd wondered about the non-white crowd at the Igloo, but missed anything Doc might've said about it. He mentioned it? There were moments I was on the phone with a fan and may have missed it.

What was the rationale? It hurt Sid's sight or something? This is fascinating! Should we white-out MSG to annoy him?

Can I not read anymore about Crosby or the officiating. Let's face it--the Rangers did a lot more things right against the Devils than they have been against the Pens. Pure and simple. They're not driving the net, they're not penetrating the zone, they're not doing what they're capable of doing. If they don't find that game again--and soon--we'll be on the outside looking in at the cup finale.
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My understanding after Friday's game was that the T-shirts were Sid's idea in the first place. So I think they probably didn't want to spend the cash.

Greetings from the capital of Germany.
John, I understand that you are frustrated along with all Ranger fans. However, to put this all on Bing and officiating is missing the entire point. Your beloved Rangers should consider themselves fortunate to be in the playoffs at all after that questionable regular season they just turned in. Remember, how everyone was soooooooo high at the beginning of the year. Oh boy, Scotty Gomez!!!, Chris Drury (Mr Clutch Himself)!!!!, The Great "Captain" Jagr!!!! "John" Avery, (well at least he lived up to his potential). You need to look back farther than these last two games for reasons why your Blueshirts are in the shape they are in. I knew it by the All-Star break that the Rangers were in serious trouble and so did you and all your fellow NYR bloggers. Just look at "Rodents" droppings (er..posts) and you see nothing but frantic, insane chaos, all manner of foul language, etc. Bro, just relax and enjoy watching Rangers hockey at least twice (2) more this year. Keep that chin up!

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