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November 25, 2006

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Glad to see Sanguinetti not miss a beat after the one game suspension and having his A taken away by Owen Sound.

Regardless of the outcome of tonight's game ... win or lose ... it is beyond me why the NHL does not allow coaches to ask for video reviews where it concerns GOALS .. not anything else like the NFL .. but goals because between last year's Stanley Cup playoffs and now this year ... there were some video reviews that the refs just REFUSED to use the video review although they clearly did not see what happened to the puck ... are they too prideful to go to review and admit an on-ice mistake?

Ridiculous ... that puck was clearly in BEFORE the ref even thought about blowing the stupid whistle!

Well one thing for sure the game was not dull. Other than that had the Rangers not gotten the second point then truly pressure would have been on Bettman to uphold a Ranger protest.

One of the poorest exhibitions I have ever witnessed in NHL officiating.

I think that the disallowed goal took a lot of the jump out of the Rangers because after that play they were not playing with as much ... energy ... as they had been playing with up to that point ...

They had a horrible 2nd period, taking a lot of lazy penalties, but like last week Henrik held them in there and the defense was much better and they were only down 1-0 .. they played more disciplined in the 3rd and finally got a break and Jagr scored that beautiful goal, much to the chagrin of the Pens fans who love to boo him ...

Henrik nearly gave me two heart attacks, he's great but he REALLY needs to stay in his crease ...

That Penalty Shot was complete BS .. he wasn't clear of Toots and he got a shoot off even it went a bit wide ... but whatever, I guess the ref isn't up on the uptake about Lundqvist and shootouts so giving the Pens a penalty shot with him in nets instead of a Power Play was advantage to us ..

I seriously have to wonder what the Ranger bench feels when something like that happens or when it's time for a shootout with Henrik in the nets? They have to be extremely confident ... Same about our opponents .. if they actually do any kind of shootout scouting, which I've read that most teams do not do, what do they think/feel when it comes down to a shootout or a penalty shot and Henrik is in net? Even if they do not do a lot of work on it I have realized that now ESPN and other places keeps Shootout Stats(Henrik is on top) and THN did an article on it and all their numbers and stuff went out the window when they came to Henrik because nothing seems to work on him ....

I love it ...

This game wasn't pretty but I love that they fought back and won a game that was filled with adversity for them and that they were trailing going into the third .. they could've sat back and tried to get it to the shootout knowing how great Henrik's been but they just kept coming at the Pens and won ... loved it!

Well great 2 points going into a tough stretch this week. Lundqvist was great, d looked good(Tyutin is developing into a player) but a scary theme is reoccuring; the over reliance on the top line to produce. This team is top heavy and the other team knows it has to concentrate only on the the illustriuos 4. Im sorry folks but it's time for the Sather administration to admit it's blunder with Adam Hall. He does not seem to be taking his fourth line duties well. He's the type of player that needs playmakers around him, but the Rangers don't have those players on the bottom lines. Renney claims he likes to hide some offense on the lower end of his team. Well Tom, its time to stop hiding the O buddy; if you keep on hiding it I don't think you'll be able to find it!

I saw the OT slightly different than you, Matty. I thought NY was a bit careless, and until Straka's incredible effort I wasn't happy with the OT effort. From what I saw, aside from Henrik, only Hossa distinguished himself until the goal.

Good things happened on Jagr's game-tying goal. First, Malik took out a Penguin (Ekman?) in our end, then Rozsival retrieved the puck and made a sharp breakout. As I've said repeatedly, you can't look at goals in isolation: it all started with that defensive play. Then J. Ward caused disruption in front as Jagr scored.

Good to get the two, but the team needs to work harder at staying out of the box. Too much time there disrupts everything, and prevents us from seeing the real Rangers.

Well Vlo, last year most of the offense came from the top line or when the top PP unit was on the ice .. Prucha got most of his goals playing with Jagr on even strength or on the PP, again with Jagr ...

this year we have two lines that can score, if the third line can chip in every once in a while I think it will alright ...

I don't really worry about the offense on the team because we are in the top 10 in the league in scoring ...

The color commentator on the HD broadcast tonight said that Pens GM told him that reason they went after Dom Moore was he was one of the keys to Rangers success last season. Another good one, Glen.

Hall hasn't been used in a role to get his scoring going. Personally, for a few weeks, I'd try him on the 2d line with Shanny and Cullen, and drop Prucha down to the Betts or Hollweg lines. This is the time of year to learn more about your personnel. And I'd work Prucha and Hall into more regular PP time. The production from the top-4 F's has been great. But its a long season. We need to reduce the icetime overload on those top guys, and get the 2d tier Offensive forwards (Cullen, Prucha, Hall) more involved.

Matty, the problem we had last year was that all our offense came from the top line. The same problem we have this year. You claim that we have second line that can score. How can you say that? The only person who scores on the second line is Shanahan, but he doesn't score goals on the second line, he scores the majority of his goals on the powerplay. Prucha and Cullen have 5 goals apiece. If this is your idea for production from a second unit, I definitely can't agree with your statement that we have two lines that can score! We need that line to pick up some slack (Cullen looked good last night andshould have scored obviuosly, and Prucha needs start going) and the hidden offense somewhere on the bottom two lines needs to reappear. If these things don't happen all teams have to do is shut down the Jagr unit with Shanny on the power play. And we all know what hapens next. We saw it at the end of the regular season and playoffs last year. My point about Hall, is of course that he is supposedd to provide some offense on a third line. He was given the chance but did not produce. The reason i singled him out and not Betts nd Ward, is because Betts and Ward serve a important role playing on the other side of the puck that this team needs for success. Of course they need to provide "some" offense but thay are valuable cogs on the penalty kill and checking roles. It's a scary precedent to start double shifting Jagr and Shanny this early. What will they have left in April?

Yes Jess, the officiating was about as bad as it gets. A missed goal by both the ref and Toronto's video? A high stick to Hollweg and no call? A BS penalty shot? Looks like the NHL had ref's on the take for that game.
I was happy about the 2 points but not happy with 2 full periods of not ready for prime time play.
Tonight will be a much bigger test.

Bob u right about the calls but the penalty shot was legit tyutin hooked him about 4 times why he did that i dont know becuase stall still got his shot off and plus Stall had a breakaway when u commmit a penalty on breakaways mostly u will eb awarded with a penalty shot.

I see that the Moore thing continues....

I am sorry, but if Moore becomes the reason we have no success then we have no business being out there.

Like I've said before, I loved Domenic when he was here, but he doesn't make or break this team.

Also, of all the things I worry about this team, offense? Is not one of them. Do they need more balanced scoring? Other than the Sabres, what team in the League doesn't?

They have won 3 games in a row and people want to split up the top line and move Hossa from the third line to the top line.... why fix what isn't broken right now? Whatever the team is doing, as far as line combinations is working. Ever since Ward/Betts/Hossa were put together they have been extremely affective3. I think shutting down the opposition's top line at even strength, as this trio has done, is equally as important as whether they score goals or not

Ant most of the penalty shots I have seen were clear cut haul him down to the ice. Sure there was some stick work and sure he was in alone but I did not agree that it was a PS. If your going to get called for a PS violation, take his ass to the floor and pull his feet out from under him, then I don't argue. Hey, I'm biased, I'm a Ranger fan.

Matty, the point is not that Dominic Moore would make or break the team over Adam Hall, it is symbolic of the damage done to team chemistry when an integral member of the core you want to develop is traded because of contract dispute for a guy who looks a lot better on paper than on the ice. Same with Hossa -- he will not make or break the team, it's just one minor roster spot, but what does it say about the team's philosophy as a whole that it is not being used to develop someone with more upside to the team's future than Hossa?

I really do not agree with your view on the impact of the Moore trade Dubi. I believe that the only people who keep it on the front burner are the fans who didn't like the trade because other than that I don't see it talked about at all, nor do I see it affecting the team ...

Team has the same amount of points at this point that they had last season ...

People are allowed to like or dislike the trade, that's fine, but to say that trade shows the players in the organization that the team has no loyalty and doesn't reward hard work is something that I just do not believe ....

Matty, when did i say they should break up the first line? When did i Bash the newly constructed third line? All i was saying is that this team is top heavy and relying too much on the top trio. Why would you break up a line that produces at a clip of two goals per game. I hope your not replying to my message, because if that's what you took from the posts your reading with a blind eye. My point, for the 3rd time, is that the Rangers need to find scoring from others than the top four. You made the point that the Rangers do indeed have a second socring line, which is totally false. How can a center only have 11 points while playing with the top goal scorer in the league? Shanny scores the majority on the PP. Yes the burden isn't on Jagr alone anymore, its on Jagr and Shanny. My point again is that Renney must find some other sources of offense other than the first line, because when games are tighter down the stretch teams will solely focus on the first line. Now i don't think i mentioned anything about breaking up the first trio or moving Hossa off the checking unit. And yes I agree, they have been playing much better, but a team that lossed to the Islanders the day before, without Sidney Crosby should be beaten in an easier fashion. It's painstaking to know the only way we can beat such a team, is by double shifting Jagr. Open up your eyes, you've drank too much of the JUICE!!!

Oh by the way, check out the top five teams in the league, they all have balanced scoring!! That's why their the top five teams in the league. And i think you and I would actually agree that we want to see our beloved Rangers in that class.

VLO the only reason islanders beat Pitts so easy was because Thibault was the goalie and he didnt win one game yet.Fleury is a good goalie if pitts put Thibault against us ull see what we can do

Matty, it's not about what you believe, it's about why people say what they say about the Moore trade -- you're missing the point if you think it's about Dominic Moore or Adam Hall. It's about chemistry and team building. I'm not trying to get you to agree, just to see what the debate is about. Even in disagreement, you can surely see that the issue is important enough for people to discuss.

I agree ant; And we did find a way to win last night (which good teams do). All im trying to say is that the Rangers are relying on Jagr and Shanny too much. Of course I'm happy and they played great this week. We all know however, playoff hockey is much tighter than hockey in November. We had the same success last year at this time, but i don't think this type of play is conducive for success in April and May, oh and hopefully June. I agree that the third lines primary job is to shut down the teams opposing top unit, which obviuosly is paramount for success. But they also must contribute in some offensive manner!

>>> I hope your not replying to my message,

I wasn't replying to you when I made the comment about the third line and the first line ... I was replying to someone, can't remember who, who had said that with Hossa playing better that they should move Hossa to the first line and Straka to the 2nd and Cullen to the third to give the team a more balance attack ... while, on paper, that might work I think Hossa doesn't play well under pressure and he has found, at least recently, a niche playing on the third line ....

I do agree that the Rangers will need more balanced scoring eventually

Dubi, my whole thing with the Moore thing is ... it continues to be talked about over and over and over and over .... at least here, I admit that I read the newspapers and independent online hockey websites(by that I mean, not ones that are run by Ranger fans) and I have mainly seen the Moore thing mentioned here, not exclusively here but for the most part ...

You talk about how that trade affected team chemistry ... I agree that it did but trades are part of hockey, just like FA signings or the FA's that leave us ... we had some new players this year and over the last few games I think that the team has or is finding their team chemistry again ...

For all that they have been criticized, and rightfully so, for the less than stellar start and lax defensive play they have the same amount of wins now that they had last season at this point....

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