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August 11, 2008


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Great article on Voros!!


Voros sounds like a combo of Avery & Hollweg. Does that make him a 'locker room cancer' who takes dumb penalties & doesn't fight very good, or if he's on the team a new hero? If he can fill both those players roles smartly and score, he should get the crowd on his side. Doesn't sound like he handles 4th line duties well, but that's true of many players.

Great piece on Voros. Hope he lives up to expectations (whatever they are). Thanks for the explanation on the other side about the inability to comment there. Those fools should be shot for ruining things for us true Rangers fans. Thanks for this site Dubi.

USA Hockey has just announced and I think Ranger fans might know a couple of the players who will be inducted

Here is the press release:

Cammi Granato, Brett Hull, Brian Leetch and Mike Richter will be enshrined into the United States Hockey Hall of Fame as the Class of 2008, it was announced today by USA Hockey.

The quartet will be formally inducted into the U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame in Denver at an induction dinner set for 7 p.m. MT on Friday, October 10, at Magness Arena on the campus of the University of Denver. The following evening -- Saturday, October 11 -- the U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame Game will take place in the same venue, when the University of Denver men's ice hockey team takes on the University of Notre Dame at 7:07 p.m.

"The Class of 2008 is one of the most accomplished groups that’s ever been inducted into the U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame," said Ron DeGregorio, president of USA Hockey. "It is indeed with great pleasure that we welcome them to the group of hockey immortals in our country."

Catherine "Cammi" Granato's extraordinary playing career, particularly at the international level, has played a key role in the growth of women’s hockey not only in the United States, but across the world. After learning to play hockey in the backyard of her Downers Grove, Ill., home with her sister and four brothers, she earned a scholarship at Providence College, where she established goal-scoring records and captured ECAC Player of the Year honors from 1991-93. A 15-year member of the U.S. Women’s National Team beginning in 1990, Granato is the program’s all-time scoring leader with 343 points (186-157) in 205 games. She achieved international fame by captaining Team USA to the gold medal at the 1998 Olympic Winter Games in Nagano, Japan, the first time women’s ice hockey was included in the Games. Four years later, she captained the United States to the silver medal at the 2002 Olympics. In her last international competition and ninth World Championship, she led Team USA to the gold medal, its first-ever in an IIHF World Women’s Championship. In 2007, Granato received the NHL’s Lester Patrick Award in recognition of outstanding service to hockey in the United States, and, in 2008, she was enshrined into the IIHF Hall of Fame. Granato was the first woman to be honored with the aforementioned awards and will be the first female to be inducted into the U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame.

Brett Hull recorded 1,391 points and is third all-time in NHL history with 741 goals during a career that spanned more than 20 years and included stops with five teams (Calgary Flames, St. Louis Blues, Dallas Stars, Detroit Red Wings, Phoenix Coyotes). In his first full NHL season -- played with the St. Louis Blues in 1988-89 -- he scored 41 goals and captured the Lady Byng Memorial Trophy. Hull scored 70-plus goals in each of the next three seasons, including a career-high 86 goals in 1990-91, a year he earned the Lester B. Pearson Trophy and the Hart Memorial Trophy as the league's MVP. After 11 seasons in St. Louis, Hull signed with the Dallas Stars in the summer of 1998 and helped the team win the Stanley Cup in his first year with the club. After three seasons in Dallas, Hull signed as a free agent with the Detroit Red Wings prior to the 2001-02 season and captured his second Stanley Cup later that spring. On the international side, Hull led the United States to an Olympic silver medal at his second Games in 2002 and topped the tournament in scoring as Team USA captured the World Cup of Hockey in 1996, the first of his two World Cup appearances. He also participated in the 1991 Canada Cup and 1986 IIHF Men's World Championship. The nine-time NHL All-Star starred two seasons (1984-86) at the University of Minnesota Duluth, where he scored 52 goals and was a finalist for the Hobey Baker Memorial Award his sophomore season. No college player has scored more goals in single season since.

In 18 NHL seasons, Brian Leetch was an 11-time All-Star, won two Norris Trophies as the league’s best defenseman, captured a Conn Smythe Trophy as the Stanley Cup Playoff MVP and was the Calder Trophy winner as the league's top rookie. He is one of only five blueliners in NHL history to record more than 100 points in a season and one of seven to accumulate more than 1,000 points in his career (247-781--1028). In his rookie season with the New York Rangers (1988-89), who drafted him ninth overall in 1986, Leetch put up 23 goals and 48 assists to capture the Calder Trophy. Three years later, in 1991-92, he tallied a career-best 102 points, including a team record 80 assists, to capture the Norris Trophy for the first time. In 1993-94, the Rangers won their first Stanley Cup in more than 50 years. He led the way as the top scorer in the postseason and was the first ever American-born player to capture the Conn Smythe Trophy as the MVP of the playoffs. Internationally, Leetch is one of just 10 American men's ice hockey players to have competed in the Olympic Winter Games three or more times, as he played for Team USA in 1988, 1998 and 2002. He also represented the United States at three IIHF World Junior Championships (1985-87), two IIHF Men's World Championships (1987, 1989), one Canada Cup (1991) and twice in the World Cup of Hockey (1996, 2004). Leetch played one season (1986-87) of college hockey at Boston College and was a finalist for the Hobey Baker Memorial Award.

Mike Richter played in 666 games during his 14-year NHL career, all with the New York Rangers. His 301 wins are more than any other Rangers goaltender and he helped the club win its first Stanley Cup in over 50 years. Playing full-time for the Rangers beginning with the 1990-91 season, he was a finalist for the Vezina Trophy as the league's top goalie in just his second full season in the NHL. In 1993-94, Richter was selected as the MVP of the NHL All-Star Game and went on to set a Rangers’ single-season record with 42 wins in leading the team to the President's Trophy and its first Stanley Cup title since 1942. Beyond making a huge impact for the Rangers, Richter also was an integral part of the U.S. program for parts of three decades. He is one of just 10 Americans ever to compete in at least three Olympic Games (1988, 1998, 2002), including in 2002 when he helped the team capture the silver medal. In addition, he led Team USA to the World Cup of Hockey championship in 1996 and was named the tournament's MVP. He also played in two IIHF World Junior Championships (1985-86), three IIHF Men's World Championships (1986-87, 1993) and the 1991 Canada Cup. Richter, a three-time NHL All-Star, played two seasons of college hockey (1985-87) at the University of Wisconsin before beginning his professional career.

U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame inductees are chosen on the basis of accomplishments in the game of hockey, sportsmanship, character, contributions to their team(s) or organization(s) and contributions to the game of hockey in general. A nominee must have distinguished him/herself by exceptional performance and outstanding character reflecting favorably upon the game of hockey.

NOTES: Hull, Leetch and Richter are all among the 12 players voted to the All-Time USA Hockey Team in 1997 ... A media conference call featuring all four inductees will be conducted today (August 12) at 2 p.m. EDT ... Ticket information for the U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame Induction Dinner can be obtained by calling Jamie Arundel at 719-538-1184 … The U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame Class of 2008 was chosen by a 12-member selection committee … The U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame was founded in 1973. To date, there are 134 enshrined members in the Hall. For information on the members of the U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame, visit the Hall's official website at ushockeyhalloffame.com … USA Hockey and the U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame reached an agreement on May 11, 2007, that transferred rights to the selection process and induction event associated with the U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame to USA Hockey … The U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame Museum, located in Eveleth, Minn., is open daily. For hours of operation and admission prices, visit ushockeyhall.com or call 800-443-7825.

Great article on Voros....Def. made me aware of him... I didnt see him much but I think the few I saw he played pretty well.

Good to see Leetchy and Richter get what they deserve.

I was going to comment on the Voros article, but after reading through the incredible accomplishments of Richter and Leetch,I lost my train thought. Anyway, congrats to Ricky and Leetchy....sure glad they were on our team.

That is so GREAT about Leetch and Richter ... Richter was my favorite Ranger until he had to retire and I am so very happy for him and Leetch is just a classy classy man ... Kudos to Hull and C.Granato as well

Very proud of Leetch and Richter - congratulations to them.

As for Voros - he will get the early crowd backing if he does what he's capable of doing - well, but I strongly doubt he will ever be a replacement for Avery. I don't care what anybody says, Sather blew it with Avery. Like the saying goes, "You don't know what you have till it's gone." But it's time to move on with Avery. Seems like once Voros does one of those aforementioned bonehead mistakes, fans will start comparing him more to Hollweg. Last four forward spots should be highly competitive in camp.

As for prior Avery post - had no problem with anything he said. I didn't infer him to be trashing the team at all. He's just speaking his mind like he always does. Redden will be a target if he doesn't start the season well. Conversely, I think Naslund has the opportunity to have a very good season. Redden, we can only hope. If he doesn't, Avery and many poster will be right that Redden was a very questionable signing.

so maybe we may see an "artic circle" power play line w/ Dubi,Gomez,Voros as the forwards. could be some good off ice chemistry that may work to on ice since their all from the same general area. October needs to get here already

For what it's worth:

[Islanders hire Scott Gordon as coach.

Scott Gordon, who agreed to a multi-year contract, was the only coach on the Islanders' list of eight known candidates without any experience behind an NHL bench.]

Hmmm, I seem to remember another NHL team doing something like that in recent years. I wonder how that turned out?

The link:



Bad Lisa bringing up Islander stuff here.

Dubi needs to have a set of rules regarding those other teams

Re: Voros

Sorry but I do not like this signing as Voros did nothing in the second half and from what I was told the Wild did not bother trying to sign him.

If Voros was a better fighter than Orr I could see this but he is not.

You are not supposed to dip into the free agent market for 4th liners, they are players you develop yourself.

Yes I know another bias for one of the prospects but I believe that Dane Byers would have been a better option.

Byers offers more potential as a Ranger in my book.

Byers is an excellent defensive player always has been, Byers can fight as well and Byers does not need to play with first liners to be able to score.

Then toss in that Avery was replaced before signing Voros. Callahan showed that he can be a pest who also can score.

Orr is a better fighter (and a heavyweight), Orr has shown that he can also play a responsible defense as well.

The Voros signing I am sorry just did not need to happen.

OOPs I forgot

Nedved will have to do without Hlavac


Wonder where Devo is today?

Check Jagr's gloves. I'll miss the big guy.


Jess I like what I saw from Byers in last pre-season. There seems to be a pattern developing in the competitive rebuild . Hopefully Byers & other guys from Hartford get their chance to shine in the NHL soon. Hard to tell just when they think they will try to go for the finals. Looks to be too much 1 year at a time without much continuity. Renney has his hands full every season trying to get lines & chemistry. Way too much turnover.

Agree on Voros, can't get too excited about this guy. Slats should concentrate on signing Sundin, trading Rosy and Prucha, and cutting Voros & Rissmiller.

At this point it's real tough to predict if Aaron Voros will, or even will be called upon, to take on the role that Sean Avery had with the Rangers. Besides being the 'agitator' Avery was used on the top lines to generate offense, which made his role quite unique. Not many 'agitators' find themselves playing on the top lines in this league. I don't think the coaching staff will tap Voros on the back and say 'go out there and be a Sean Avery'. With the depth the Rangers now have at forward there may be many different options available in how Voros could be used? Will Voros get the ice time that Sean got?. Will his linemates be that of top liners like Drury,Gomez,Naslund, or Dubinsky? Will he be used as a fourth line 'energy' guy to 'shake things up'?. For that matter, will he be a 'healthy scratch' type player that doesn't play every night? This years line-up if much different that last years and the Rangers coaching staff will be real busy figuring out everyones role. This will be a interesting camp for a lot of players that will be battling for positions and eventual roles on this 'remodeled' team.


Did you see the hook on that stick? Looks like JJ has signed to play Jai-Alai!


I agree that with you here 100% about the 1 year stuff.


All those questions in my book show why the Voros signing is not a good move.

When you sign a free agent there tends to be a clear plan as to how to use him.

What you wrote shows that there is not


LOL Checzs don't play that game :) Plus JJ is too slow for it :)

All this Voros stuff, over a 4th liner and most likely a Wolfpack player! I think they got him & Rissmiller to help fill the void in Hartford and be able to call up a physical player if we need one. One of the two may make the big club, but neither are considered a replacement for Avery or Hollweg. The grit they are looking for most likely will come from Fritsche and the tough guy role will remain with Orr. The key to Voros will be the third line. If that line can produce as a 3rd line should, then the 4th line will be Betts with Orr and Voros or Sjostrom. There will be a 7th D'man and one extra forward.

Jess...I totally agree. When they picked him up on the free agency market I kind of scratched my head a bit. We will see if and how he fits into the plan.

Rangerbill...good analysis of the potential role of Voros. Fritsche, Fritsche, Fritsche..I think he may be the 'sleeper' player from the Columbus deal that may turn out to be a very pleasant surprise for this team.


I think Fritsche will be the third line center. Pretty good speed, a sandpaper player, has some good hands and with some complementary wings we could end up with an "energy line" that can score. I can see Fritsche between Callahan and either Prucha or Korpo. Young, agressive and playing with and edge...sounds good to me.

That's Avery on the side of the crosstown M86, isn't it? Looks like a GAP ad, but I don't have verification yet. Oh Sean, you're a cruel ex... Keeping yourself on our minds after you've left us..... gone thousands of miles away....

Markus, Wade, Aaron, help me take my mind off of him. Thank you...

Someone. Drop. A. Puck. PLEASE.


[Someone. Drop. A. Puck. PLEASE.]

I cannot agree with you more. Jeez, bring on training camp, PLEASE. I want to see this team on the ice, already!

Andrea, My daughter and I saw the Gap ad on both the 42nd Street crosstown and one of the Bronx express buses. If it's not Avery, he has to have a twin somewhere.


If you have Fritsche as the 3rd line center, what of Dubinsky? Put him on the 4th line and see if Toronto will take Betts to go with his pal Stone Hands/Head.

And agreed, drop a puck! I'm tired of watching syncronized drowning or whatever jingoistic nonsense is in Beijing right now.

When is Traverse City?

I am convinced that the multitude of free agent signings was an effort to have enough veterans for split squads. you don't sign rissmiller and voros, trade for fristche and allow nedved to join camp unless you need to meet certain requirements. I still think there will be plenty of young hartford types that make this team...that need to be on the team.


Without placing specific people in specific positions, I have: the top 6 forwards as: Gomez, Nasland, Zherdov, Dubinsky, Drury and Dawes. I could see various mixes of those 6 to make two lines. So Fritsche as 3rd line center still fits. NEVER put Dubi on a 4th line. He improved almost every game last year and that wasn't just due to Jagr. The kid has yet to show he is close to a wall, so just get him as much ice time as possible. He may not have projected this good, but he certainly isn't "the little engine that could"! This is a big kid, getting stronger by the day. He is willing to work hard and show what he can do. I have no idea where his top limit may be, but I'll guess that he doesn't either. Maybe same with the coaching staff. If he develops an edge and begins to play a really tough game, I can see a Hadfield or Messier type player. If he developes leadership skills then the sky's the limit.

RB: you are preaching to the choir, I am a big Dubinsky fan. While I agree with your estimation of the top 6 forwards, I'd like to see them roll 3 strong offensive lines, with the 4th line as an energy line.

I don't know how Drury would react to being used as a winger, and I'd be concerned about blunting Dubinsky's progress by taking him out of a position that not only is he comfortable in, but has excelled in.

But as neither of us has much say in the matter, we'll have to leave it to Renney, et al.

BTW, if Badmitton is an Olympic Sport, does that mean that horseshoes is next? Then competitive team bar-b-qing?


I agree, but I think Renney will wait a year or more before you see 3 solid lines and an energy line. I can see a third line of Anisimov, Ac and maybe korpo in our future. I do believe that were you want to go is where the Rangers want to go. Just takes time.

Tom Renney should be fired right here and now. The Rangers are not 82-0 right now and there is no excuse why not. (Do not try to fool me and say the season has not started either)

If you look close then Steve Zipay looks like Oscar the Grouch, John Dellapina looks like Meeper and Sam Weinman like Ms Piggy on a bad hair day.

Over a billion Chinese think Al Trautwig does not know what he is talking about

Why is it that when I see Gary Bettman I think that somewhere there is a 7-11 missing a graveyard clerk to screw up the slurpee machine?

If one spotted many of those who host sports radio shows 100 points on an IQ test that they would still not be able to break 0

And imagine that, several other Ranger sites are now going to require registration in an effort to cut down on bad behavior and trolls. Gee why would anyone want to do that.


[BTW, if Badmitton is an Olympic Sport, does that mean that horseshoes is next? Then competitive team bar-b-qing?]

See that is why I am the writer and you the subscriber.

Everyone knows that the next big Olympic Sport will be Synchronized Gas Passing.

And do not try to tell me that is not a real sport either. You try standing with 7 others and pass gas at the same time.

There are already reports of cheating in the sport as well which is further proof that it belongs in the Games.

jess.... have you read the prospect report that they put on nhl.com?
whats your take on their evaluations of the prospects?

I don't know Rangerbill.....the Rangers depth at forward this year should allow Renney to build three solid lines this year...we have three very good centers right now...and a nice list of wingers to choose from...why wait? With this depth, the fourth line could be more than just a 'plain old energy' line, but an energy line that can score some goals...something missing the last several years. Picture this... rolling three productive top lines and a fourth line adding some grit and scoring more than just the 'handful' of goals we got from the fourth liners in the past. It may take a quarter to half of the season to get the combos right and let the guys 'gel' together, but the potential is there...at least it appears to be anyway.


I agree, but I also know Renney. All his forwards will have to be defensively responsible and I'm not sure they are there yet. If we had a top LW to take Dawes spot and another top center to take Dubi's spot, then I would agree. The third line would look like Dubinsky between Dawes and Callahan. Some grit and sandpaper there, good speed and a scoring touch. Where we are now, that would mean Prucha on either line 1 or 2 and Drury centering a line with the need for a RW. Just don't see it this season. But that is exactly where we are headed. Maybe next year if AC is actually ready.

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